华为力推“全球最强”AI芯片集群,英伟达中国市场承压

华为力推“全球最强”AI芯片集群,英伟达中国市场承压

2025-10-11Technology
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马老师
Good morning norris, 我是马老师, 欢迎收听专属于你的 Goose Pod. 今天是10月11日,星期六,早上8点04分。今天我们请来了一位特别的嘉宾,李白先生。
李白
幸会。今朝有酒今朝醉,但闻华为风雷动。吾与马老师,将与君共论那‘算力江湖’之风云——华为擎天,英伟达承压之事。
马老师
Let's get started. 事情是这样的,华为最近在上海的Connect大会上,扔出了一颗重磅炸弹。他们发布了全新的AI计算系统,核心是自家的昇腾(Ascend)芯片。我认为,这就像江湖门派闭关修炼,终于拿出了一件神兵利器,要挑战武林盟主了。
李白
然也,此乃‘鲲鹏’展翅,扶摇九天。名为‘Atlas 950超级集群’,声势浩大,犹如千军万马,剑指苍穹。观其势,非同凡响,意在重塑乾坤。
马老师
没错,这个集群的规模大得吓人,你懂的。一个Atlas 950超级节点,就能支持8192颗昇腾芯片。而整个超级集群,计划要用超过50万颗芯片!这已经不是简单的‘人海战术’了,这是用‘芯’海战术,堆起一座算力的泰山。
李白
五十万!此非凡间之兵,乃天界之将也。聚沙成塔,集腋成裘,以星辰之力,筑苍穹之台。此等手笔,可见其志不在小,欲与天公试比高。
马老师
而且华为的轮值董事长徐直军,直接把剑锋对准了英伟达和马斯克。他说,明年要推出的Atlas 950,算力是英伟达NVL144系统的6.7倍。甚至比马斯克那个叫‘Colossus’的超级计算机还要强1.3倍,这是要全面领先啊。
李白
哦?马斯克之名,吾亦有所耳闻。其人志存高远,欲探星辰之秘。如今其‘巨像’遇上华为之‘擎天’,可谓棋逢对手,将遇良才。不知其人作何感想?
马老师
马斯克那边也在憋大招,他的xAI公司正在训练Grok 5模型,号称要实现AGI,也就是通用人工智能。我认为,这就很有意思了。华为在造最强的‘矛’和‘盾’,也就是硬件;马斯克在培养最聪明的‘将军’,也就是AI大模型。
李白
“俱怀逸兴壮思飞,欲上青天揽明月。”此二人皆有吞吐宇宙之志。一个铸剑,一个练心,异曲同工,皆为探寻智能之巅,此番对决,定是精彩纷呈。
马老师
是的,而且华为的策略,SemiAnalysis这家研究公司也分析过。说单个昇腾芯片的性能,可能只有英伟达的三分之一,但华为靠五倍的数量优势,实现了反超。这就是典型的‘以量取胜’,功夫再高,也怕人多,你懂的。
李白
善哉!此乃兵法之道,“凡战者,以正合,以奇胜”。单剑虽利,难敌万军。华为此举,深谙“以众击寡,以弱胜强”之理,确有当年田单火牛阵之奇效。
马老师
那么问题来了,华为为什么要这么拼命地闭关修炼,打造自己的神兵利器呢?这就要说到背后的大背景了,就是那场愈演愈烈的‘芯片战争’。我认为,这不仅仅是两家公司的商业竞争,这是一场关乎国家科技命脉的巅峰对决。
李白
“黑云压城城欲摧,甲光向日金鳞开。”这‘战争’二字,道尽了其中的凶险与决绝。昔日楚汉争霸,今日芯海逐鹿,皆是关乎存亡之道,实在是山雨欲来风满楼啊。
马老师
一切的起点,可以追溯到2020年5月,美国商务部一纸禁令,禁止使用美国技术的公司为华为设计或生产半导体。这一下,就等于直接点住了华为的‘命门’。他们给出的理由,是所谓的国家安全,还有一个叫‘军民融合’的说法。
李白
“欲加之罪,何患无辞。”此乃“釜底抽薪”之计,断其粮草,绝其根基。所谓‘军民融合’,不过是为其霸道行径,寻一冠冕堂皇之名罢了。
马老师
美国国家安全顾问沙利文说得很直白,以前他们的策略是保持领先几代就行,现在不行了,在芯片这种基础技术上,“必须保持尽可能大的领先优势”。所以,2022年和2023年,他们连续出台了两次全面的出口管制,就是要锁死。
李白
其心昭然若揭!此非君子之风,乃是唯我独尊之霸术。不求共进,但求独步,意图将他人永远禁锢于自身光环之下,何其狭隘也!
马老师
当然,我们这边也不是坐以待毙,你懂的。中国也采取了一些反制措施,比如禁止关键基础设施采购美光公司的芯片,还对镓和锗这两种关键的半导体材料实施了出口管制。前商务部副部长说,这还只是个开始。
李白
“来而不往非礼也。”彼既出招,我岂能不应?此乃“以牙还牙,以眼还眼”之举。虽未至刀兵相见,然其中之硝烟,已然弥漫于天地之间。
马老师
正是这种外部压力,倒逼我们必须走自力更生的道路。所以国家层面推出了‘中国制造2025’计划,还有那个被称为‘大基金’的国家集成电路产业投资基金,一期、二期、三期,累计投入了数千亿人民币,就是要砸出一条自己的路来。
李白
“宝剑锋从磨砺出,梅花香自苦寒来。”外部之压,恰如炼剑之火,锻我筋骨,强我意志。正是这般围追堵截,方才激发出我中华民族“独立自主,自力更生”之不屈龙魂!
马老师
但是,这条路非常难走。我认为,我们面临两大‘瓶颈’。一是硬件制造,特别是先进的7纳米工艺,目前只有中芯国际能做,产能有限。而且像HBM这种高端内存在内的关键部件,我们还依赖进口。这就好比剑虽然能造,但最好的钢材还需外求。
李白
此乃“器”之所困。纵有屠龙之志,若无利器在手,亦是枉然。此一节,确需我辈卧薪尝胆,奋起直追,方能不受制于人。
马老师
另一个更大的瓶颈,我认为是软件生态。英伟达的护城河,不仅是芯片,更是它的CUDA平台。开发者都习惯用它,形成了强大的生态。华为也推出了自己的CANN,但还不成熟,据说经常崩溃。这就好比你有了绝世好剑,但没有配套的绝世剑法,发挥不出威力。
李白
此乃“法”之所缺。有“器”无“法”,则器为空置;有“法”无“器”,则法为空谈。软硬兼备,方为大道。华为之路,任重而道远,尚需时日,以待“器”“法”合一之境。
马老师
好,背景聊清楚了,我们再来看现在的‘冲突’。英伟达,过去可以说是AI芯片界的武林盟主,一家独大。但现在,华为这个东方高手强势回归,盟主的宝座开始动摇了。连英伟达的CEO黄仁勋自己都承认,华为是一个“强大的”竞争对手。
李白
“两虎相争,必有一伤。”昔日之盟主,今遇东方之潜龙。一个久居尊位,一个卧薪尝胆。此番对决,犹如昆仑之巅,剑气纵横,不知鹿死谁手。
马老师
冲突已经摆在台面上了。有报道说,中国官方要求国内的科技巨头,停止测试和采购英伟达的一款高端芯片。同时,市场监管机构还对英伟达发起了反垄断调查。我认为,这已经不是单纯的市场竞争了,这是官方下场,要扶持本土冠军,你懂的。
李白
此乃“明修栈道,暗度陈仓”之策。明面上是市场行为,暗地里则是国家意志的体现。英伟达此刻,怕是如坐针毡,前有猛虎,后有追兵,进退维谷。
马老师
而且,挑战者还不止华为一个。阿里巴巴旗下的芯片公司,叫‘平头哥’,T-Head,也异军突起。你看,中国联通建了一个巨大的数据中心,里面用的芯片,72%都来自平头哥。这说明,一个新的江湖门派,也已经练成了独门绝技。
李白
“江山代有才人出,各领风骚数百年。”江湖之中,从非一家之天下。华为如日中天,阿里亦是异军突起。看来这片算力江湖,将不再平静,一场龙争虎斗,已然拉开序幕。
马老师
完全正确。所以现在的局面就是,美国用制裁限制英伟达,想锁住我们的发展。但结果呢,反而给了华为、阿里这些本土企业巨大的发展空间和动力。这就像你想堵住一条河,结果它反而冲开了新的河道,而且水流更急了。
李白
“水能载舟,亦能覆舟。” 美之制裁,本意在覆我之舟,却未料激起千层浪,反而助我辈“借水行舟”,驶向更广阔之天地。世事之奇,莫过于此。
马老师
那么,我们来看看这场冲突带来的‘影响’。最直接的,就是英伟达的中国业务。曾经,中国市场占了英伟达总收入的20%到25%。但现在,因为制裁和本土对手的崛起,这块大蛋糕,基本上是‘塌方’了。这对英伟达来说,是真金白银的损失。
李白
“旧时王谢堂前燕,飞入寻常百姓家。”昔日之辉煌,转瞬即逝。英伟达在中国市场的境遇,恰如那夕阳下的楼阁,虽依旧壮丽,却已显萧瑟之意。一代霸主,终有迟暮之时。
马老师
更深远的影响是,美国的制裁政策,可以说事与愿违。有评论说,“制裁没有减缓中国的崛起,反而把一个国家项目,变成了一场全球市场革命。” 这话我认为说得非常到位。它逼出了一个更强大的竞争对手,也催生了一个更独立的供应链。
李白
诚哉斯言!此乃“塞翁失马,焉知非福”。美方本意是给我方套上枷锁,却不曾想,这枷锁竟被我方锻炼成了神兵。压力之下,潜能方显,中华之韧性,由此可见一斑。
马老师
数据最能说明问题。短短24个月内,中国本土AI芯片在自己国内市场的份额,从不到20%,飙升到了超过70%!除了华为,像壁仞科技、寒武纪这些公司,都起来了。这不仅仅是‘国产替代’,这是市场格局的彻底颠覆。
李白
七成江山,已归华夏之手!此番变化,可谓天翻地覆。这算力江湖的版图,已然重绘。可见只要众志成城,何惧风雨?所谓封锁,不过是为我辈铸就更坚固之长城罢了。
马老师
最后,我们来展望一下‘未来’。面对这种局面,英伟达怎么办?他们当然不会坐以待毙。他们采取了‘降级’策略,专门为中国市场推出了性能削减版的芯片,比如H20。我认为,这是一种战略上的妥协,打不过就换个打法。
李白
“君子能屈能伸”,大丈夫亦当如此。昔日韩信能忍胯下之辱,方有后日登台拜将之荣。英伟达此举,虽是退让,亦不失为明哲保身,以图东山再起之良策。
马老师
但最新的变化是,特朗普政府似乎又改变了主意,批准了H20的销售许可。他们的逻辑是,与其让华为独占市场,不如让英伟达进去分一杯羹,保持中国对美国技术的依赖。但这招来了很多批评,说这是为了一个公司的利益,牺牲了国家战略。
李白
“世事如棋,乾坤莫测。” 此番变数,令人眼花缭乱。一时禁,一时放,反复无常,可见其内部亦是纷争不断。未来之路,究竟通向何方,恐怕无人能断言。这盘棋,越下越复杂了。
马老师
没错。今天的核心 takeaway 就是,华为正在强势挑战英伟达,全球AI芯片的江湖格局正在被彻底改写。好了 norris,今天的讨论就到这里。感谢收听 Goose Pod。
李白
“两岸猿声啼不住,轻舟已过万重山。” 风云变幻,且看明日。感谢聆听 Goose Pod,吾等告辞。

## Huawei Unveils Powerful AI Chip Clusters to Challenge Nvidia Amidst US Sanctions **News Title:** Huawei touts ‘world’s most powerful’ AI chip cluster as Nvidia’s China challenges mount **Report Provider:** CNBC **Author:** Evelyn Cheng **Date:** Published September 18, 2025 This news report details Huawei's significant advancement in artificial intelligence (AI) computing infrastructure with the announcement of its new "Atlas 950 SuperCluster" and a more advanced "Atlas 960" version. These systems are powered by Huawei's in-house Ascend chips and are designed to compete directly with U.S. rival Nvidia, particularly in the context of U.S. sanctions aimed at limiting China's access to advanced semiconductors. ### Key Findings and Conclusions: * **New AI Computing Systems:** Huawei has announced new computing systems, the Atlas 950 SuperCluster and Atlas 960, designed to power AI applications. * **In-House Ascend Chips:** These systems are built upon Huawei's proprietary Ascend chips, reflecting a strategic push for self-reliance in semiconductor technology. * **Challenging Nvidia:** The announcement directly challenges Nvidia's dominance in the AI chip market, especially in China, which is facing U.S. restrictions on advanced chip imports. * **"Double Compute" Goal:** Huawei aims to "double compute" capabilities with each annual release of its Ascend chips through the end of 2028. * **Overcoming Sanctions:** Huawei is using system design to overcome technical limitations imposed by U.S. sanctions, by grouping large numbers of less efficient, homegrown chips. * **Ambition for AI Leadership:** The move underscores China's and Huawei's ambition to become world leaders in AI. ### Key Statistics and Metrics: * **Atlas 950 Supernode:** * Supports **8,192 Ascend chips**. * The full Atlas 950 SuperCluster will use **more than 500,000 chips**. * **Atlas 960 (slated for launch in 2027):** * Supports **15,488 Ascend chips per node**. * The full supercluster would have **more than 1 million Ascend chips**. * **Comparative Performance Claims (Huawei):** * Atlas 950 supernode is claimed to deliver **6.7 times more computing power** than Nvidia's NVL144 system. * Atlas 950 supercluster is claimed to have **1.3 times the computing power** of Elon Musk's xAI Colossus supercomputer. * **Chip Efficiency vs. Quantity:** Research firm SemiAnalysis found that while each Ascend chip delivers about one-third the performance of an Nvidia processor, Huawei achieves an advantage by using **five times as many chips**. * **Current Deployments:** Huawei has deployed **more than 300 of its Atlas 900 A3 supernodes** to over 20 customers across telecoms, manufacturing, and other industries. ### Significant Trends or Changes: * **Increased Emphasis on Self-Reliance:** Huawei's announcement aligns with the Chinese government's growing emphasis on self-reliance in chip technologies. * **Strategic Response to Sanctions:** Chinese companies, including Huawei, are increasingly turning to aggregating numerous less powerful chips to achieve comparable AI computing capabilities in response to U.S. restrictions. * **Escalating Competition:** The move intensifies the competition between Huawei and Nvidia, with China actively promoting homegrown alternatives. ### Notable Risks or Concerns: * **Exaggeration of Capabilities:** George Chen, partner and co-chair of digital practice at The Asia Group, cautioned that Huawei might exaggerate its technical capabilities. * **U.S. Pressure on Nvidia:** China's actions, including extending a probe into Nvidia over alleged monopolistic practices and reportedly ordering local tech giants to stop tests and orders of specific Nvidia chips (RTX Pro 6000D), are increasing pressure on the U.S. chipmaker. * **Nvidia CEO's Disappointment:** Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang expressed disappointment regarding the reported ban on certain chips. ### Material Financial Data: * No specific financial figures were provided in this report. However, the announcement of new, high-capacity AI computing systems implies significant investment in research and development and manufacturing capabilities. ### Important Recommendations: * While no explicit recommendations are made, the report highlights the strategic importance of computing power for AI and Huawei's ambition to lead in this domain. ### Contextual Information: * The news was announced on Thursday, September 18, 2025, at Huawei's annual Huawei Connect event in Shanghai. * The Atlas 900 AI Cluster was announced two years prior at the same event. * The U.S. has been actively trying to restrict China's access to advanced semiconductors for AI development. * Recent trade talks between the U.S. and China included discussions on resolving issues related to TikTok, owned by ByteDance. In summary, Huawei's unveiling of its Atlas 950 and 960 AI superclusters, powered by its Ascend chips, marks a significant step in its strategy to challenge Nvidia's dominance. This move is driven by China's push for technological self-reliance and is occurring amidst increasing U.S. pressure on Chinese access to advanced semiconductors. While Huawei claims superior performance, the effectiveness and actual capabilities of these systems compared to Nvidia's offerings will be closely watched, especially given past observations about Huawei's strategy of using a larger quantity of less powerful chips to achieve its computing goals.

Huawei touts ‘world’s most powerful’ AI chip cluster as Nvidia’s China challenges mount

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A person walks past a display of an Atlas 900 AI cluster at the Huawei stand during the World Artificial Intelligence Conference at the Shanghai World Expo and Convention Center in Shanghai on July 28, 2025.Hector Retamal | Afp | Getty ImagesBEIJING — Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei announced Thursday new computing systems for powering artificial intelligence with its in-house Ascend chips, as it steps up pressure on U.

S. rival Nvidia.The company said it plans to launch its new "Atlas 950 SuperCluster" as soon as next year.The U.S. has sought to cut China off from the most advanced semiconductors for training AI models. To cope, Chinese companies have turned more to grouping large numbers of less efficient, often homegrown, chips together to achieve similar computing capabilities.

Huawei announced it would roll out three new versions of its Ascend chips through the end of 2028, with the aim to "double compute" capabilities with each year's release.The chips form the basis of Huawei's AI computing infrastructure, in which a supercluster is connected to multiple superpods, which, in turn, are built from multiple supernodes.

Supernodes, which form the base, are built on Ascend chips, using system design to overcome technical limitations imposed by U.S. sanctions.Huawei said its new Atlas 950 supernode would support 8,192 Ascend chips, and that the Atlas 950 SuperCluster would use more than 500,000 chips.A more advanced Atlas 960 version, slated for launch in 2027, would support 15,488 Ascend chips per node.

The full supercluster would have more than 1 million Ascend chips, according to Huawei.It was not immediately clear how the systems compared with those powered by Nvidia chips. Huawei claimed in a press release that the new supernodes would be the world's most powerful by computing power for several years.

In a speech Thursday, Eric Xu, vice chairman and rotating chairman of Huawei, claimed that its forthcoming Atlas 950 supernode would deliver 6.7 times more computing power than Nvidia's NVL144 system, also planned for launch next year.Xu even predicted that Huawei's product would "be ahead on all fronts" compared with another Nvidia system planned for launch in 2027 — and claimed the Atlas 950 supercluster would have 1.

3 times the computing power of Elon Musk's xAI Colossus supercomputer."Huawei's announcement on its computing breakthrough is well timed with recent increasing emphasis by the Chinese government on self-reliance on China's own chip technologies," said George Chen, partner and co-chair, digital practice, The Asia Group.

While he cautioned that Huawei might exaggerate its technical capabilities, Chen pointed out that the Chinese company's ambition to be a world AI leader "cannot be underestimated."Research firm SemiAnalysis found in April that Huawei's self-developed CloudMatrix system was able to perform better than Nvidia's — despite each Ascend chip delivering only about one-third the performance of an Nvidia processor.

Huawei built its advantage by having five times as many chips."Computing power has and will continue to be the key for AI," Rotating Chairman Xu said Thursday in a statement, translated by CNBC. He was speaking at the opening of the company's annual Huawei Connect event in Shanghai. The event runs through Saturday.

Two years ago at the same event, Huawei announced its Atlas 900 SuperCluster. The company currently sells a "Atlas 900 AI Cluster" with "thousands" of Ascend chips.Huawei said Thursday it had deployed more than 300 of its Atlas 900 A3 supernodes to more than 20 customers in telecoms, manufacturing and other industries.

Rising pressure on NvidiaHuawei's announcement comes as China promotes homegrown alternatives to Nvidia. Earlier this week, the two countries wrapped up trade talks in Spain that included a path toward resolving the long-contested U.S. operations of social media app TikTok, owned by Beijing-based startup ByteDance.

In another aggressive signal, China on Monday announced it was extending a probe into Nvidia over alleged monopolistic practices.Pressure has only risen since on the U.S. chipmaker. Its shares fell more than 2% Wednesday after the Financial Times, citing sources, said China has ordered local tech giants to stop tests and orders of the Nvidia RTX Pro 6000D chip.

Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang told reporters he was "disappointed" to hear the news of the reported ban. He's previously described Huawei as a "formidable" competitor.

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